020: How to find your Heaven on Earth and make a difference in the world- Martin Rutte

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Martin Rutte  0:00  

We are moving from I to we, these issues that I address, are we issues in terms of solutions. I can’t solve it. We solve it by saying, Look, what difference can I make? I’m just this guy from Hamilton, Ontario, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 7.8 billion people say I can’t make a difference. Guess what, we can’t make a difference. But if you say, I am making a difference, a tiny one, a tiny, tiny, tiny one, then you’re in and others begin and the momentum begins. And I’m telling you, this is more than just a good idea.

Tony Maree Torrey  0:35  

Welcome to the Legacy in the Making Show. I’m your host LA’s foremost Success Coach Tony Maree Torrey, I interview leaders and influencers who have gone beyond the superficial markers of success and claimed true fulfillment by leveraging their positions to create positive and profitable changes in their businesses and beyond. They share their stories and offer real-world boots on the ground experience. That translates into practical advice to apply to your own journey. I invite you to this injection of wisdom and inspiration so you can prevail and leave your own lasting legacy.

Tony Maree Torrey  1:18  

Hello, and welcome to the legacy in the making show. Today, I have such a special guest for you. Martin Rutte is president of livelihood, which is a management consulting firm in Santa Fe, New Mexico. The company’s areas of service include strategic vision, corporate spirit, performance management, and Creative Leadership. So anyone who wants to step more into their power as a leader, listen up today, he has so many accomplishments, I had to whittle it down. So this doesn’t even reflect how amazing this man really is. But here are a few things you need to know about him. He is the co author of The New York Times bestseller Chicken Soup for the Soul at work. And that sold over a million copies. For 15 years, he’s been exploring people’s vision for the kind of world they deeply long for which is reflected in his book Project Heaven on E arth. The three simple questions that will help you change the world. And he has worked with all sorts of big business names, including Sony Pictures Entertainment, Southern California Edison, Virgin Records, Apple, just to name a few. He is a big deal. He was also the very first Canadian to address the corporate leadership and ethics forum at Harvard Business School. And not only that, but he was their keynote speaker, four years in a row. This is how influential and insightful this man is that he is recognized by some of the best of the best, and they want to keep on listening to him. So listen up. He’s also a member of the Transformational Leadership Council, and was a recipient of the excellence in leadership award. So, he is an amazing role model. Martin, I am so excited to have you here today. Welcome.

Martin Rutte  3:33  

Tony Maree. Thank you, pleasure to be with you and people watching. Thank you very much.

Tony Maree Torrey  3:37  

You are very welcome. I’d love to hear a small part of your backstory. How is it that you came to be such an accomplished leader?

Martin Rutte  3:48  

Well, it started in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, which is like Pittsburgh, it’s a Steel City, where great visions were never part of normal life. And I had a thought when I was about 12 years old, I’m sure to change the world. And it didn’t strike me as odd. It didn’t strike me as abnormal. Nobody I knew had ever said anything like that. I just knew it. And so from their university in psychology, and then started my own business in Toronto, leading personal development courses. And then people said, once you come in and talk to us about vision and about achieving beyond what you believe possible. So I started doing consulting, I started doing speaking, that led to Harvard, the Harvard story is interesting. There was a woman, one of the courses that I took, who said when we were talking about beyond belief, objectives and goals, she said, Well, I want to go to Harvard Business School. I said, Yeah, so,  And she said, Yeah, but I’m, you know, I’m Canadian. I’m a girl. I’m blah, blah, blah. And I said, Well, what’s that got to do with anything? What do you need to do to get into Harvard? She said, Well, I need to apply. I said, Okay, so by When will you apply and she did and she Got it. And she called me, you know, jumping off the ceiling, what can I do for you? And this thought came to my mind, Oh, I’d love to speak at the Harvard Business School. So she said, All right, I’ll set it up for you. Oh, my God. All right. And I still remember the first time going in there. I felt like a baseball player going into the Yankee dressing room, you know, for the first time I was like, Oh, my God, this is Harvard and you got it. I mean, they played a very, very high level. So that led to a lot of work on spirituality and work, I helped to start that conversation in the world that led, as you mentioned, in the introduction to Chicken Soup for the Soul at work, and then to my most recent work, called Project Heaven on Earth. That’s, that’s a pretty good overview.

Tony Maree Torrey  5:45  

That’s you in a nutshell. Yeah. Well, it’s a very impressive overview. And from a, you know, a guy who came from a small industrial, well, maybe not what not so small, but just from an industrial town where like you said, culturally, it wasn’t really the norm to have these thoughts and visions that you have. So it sounds like you’ve been very divinely driven, and very on purpose in your life. AndMartin Rutte  6:14  

that’s true. Both statements are actually quite precise. True.

Tony Maree Torrey  6:19  

Yes. And one of the things that I really appreciate about the work that you do in the world, is that I think you and I hold the same belief in that, I think that how we are going to change the world for the better is really through the forum of business. And it’s one of the places where we can create the most impact and most positive change. So I love that you’re so involved in that dialogue. Can you give us an example of a time when you started out working with a company or an organization, and they were, you know, in position A and, and their transformation and movement to position B and the possible results that were created in the world from that?

Martin Rutte  7:08  

Well, let me go back to I want to answer that. But I want to answer one other thing you said, the reason that I was interested in business was because business has the temporal power in the world today. And so I thought, if we could transform business, we could transform the world, because what one of the things that business is deeply interested in is, does this work or not? And that’s the metric that they go against. And I loved that. When I began, I was interested in social workers, I thought they would do it. And then it very quickly became evident to be that no, no, no. Business is the path forward, an example of Southern California Edison, which is the big power company in Southern California, which has 17,000 people like, when I was working with them as a consultant, they were going from a regulated monopoly, which means all they had to do was make sure that the power went on every day, to an unregulated business, not even monopoly. And the pressure on them was because their cost per kilowatt hour of electricity was much higher than the surrounding states where it was not a monopoly. And so business put this tremendous pressure on the company on Southern California Edison to do something about that. So the vice president of the time have called me and said, Look, we’ve got to do something different here. Because it has been mostly about reliability, I come in, I flick the switch on, the electricity is there. Now it’s going to be about cost. Reliability is very conservative, you got to just tick off the boxes, everything, but costs, you have to drive cost down, you have to increase your profitability. And so he brought me in to work with different divisions on their vision. And I developed this process where I would interview each member of the executive team separately for literally half a day. In essence, I would ask three questions. Where are you today? Your division in the company? Where would you want to be? What’s your vision? And give me some of the key strategic objectives that will get you there? I wrote that up, gave each person a copy. And then we did this three day off site where we focused on each of those three domains. Where are we? Where do we want to be? And how are we going to get there. And of course, we had team building exercises as well. So the team came together. And what was unique about the process that I discovered was that it wasn’t about me telling them because after you, you interview, entire team, you know what the issues are, but that’s me telling them not effective as not as effective as them discovering it for themselves. And so the process allowed what I call the collective wisdom in the room to be apparent to everybody in the room and once they saw that they.  It was obvious what they needed to do. So productivity went up, costs went down, profitability went up. And it was, it was the mindset that was really the issue. And I think that’s what’s going on in business today with respect to COVID, that COVID has shut down a lot of possibility. And some of the people that I’ve been speaking to recently are beginning to think, okay, post COVID, what are we going to do? We need a new mindset. And that mindset is about a new story. It is about achieving beyond what you believe possible, rather than just what you believe possible. And in terms of my new work, it’s like, what’s Heaven on Earth for our company? That’s a very profound question.

Tony Maree Torrey  10:43  

I love that. And it seems that really those questions that you are answering and asking back in the day for Southern California Edison, are a natural part of the evolution of the work that it is that you’re doing now. Because the principles are kind of essentially the same. It’s like, you know, where are we? Where do we need to go? And how do we get there? And there’s such powerful questions.

Martin Rutte  11:10  

Let me then move into what Heaven on Earth is. So one of the what came out of all that work on vision was, what’s my vision for the kind of world I want. And when I had that thought, what popped into my mind was, well, ultimately, I’d like Heaven on Earth. And I can remember, my first thought was, Oh, my God, you can’t say that. And I thought, why not? I can talk to you about hell on earth, can’t I? That’s a permissible conversation. Why can’t I talk to you about the deep desire that you have for the kind of life and work and nation and world that you deeply longed for? And so that’s where I was born? And I’d love to do that with you, if you’re willing to? I am so willing to do these questions with  all right, and the, for you, the listener and watcher right now, please answer the questions as well. So these are the three Heaven on Earth questions. And they formed the basis of my book project Heaven on Earth. So question one, recall a time when you experienced Heaven on Earth, recall the time when you experienced Heaven on Earth, what was going on?

Tony Maree Torrey  12:19  

I think one of the most profound experiences I’ve ever had, and I’ve been fortunate to experience it multiple times is

Tony Maree Torrey  12:29  

snorkeling. In Hawaii. Like for me, that is just such a profound experience of appreciating connection with nature, beauty, sharing that experience with people that I love and adore. And, you know, being surprised and amazed by the diversity of life.

Martin Rutte  12:50  

Lovely. Alright, second question. Imagine you have a magic wand. And with this magic wand, you can have Heaven on Earth. What’s Heaven on Earth for you?

Tony Maree Torrey  13:03  

For me, Heaven on Earth is all people empowered to live on purpose, to be in alignment with sharing their gifts in the world, in a way that allows them to be of service to others or to an important cause. So that, gosh, I think what comes up for me right now is this idea of generosity, so that we can all live with compassion and generosity towards ourselves towards the planet to all all sentient beings.

Martin Rutte  13:43  

Very clear. And then the third question, what simple, easy, concrete step, What simple, easy, concrete step will you take in the next 24 hours? to have more of that?

Tony Maree Torrey  13:56  

I have a conversation coming up with my virtual assistant. And I think one of the things that we really need to do is get her more aligned with what it is that she wants to create in the world, so that she can take action in a way that is less about going through the motions, and more about really being a contributor.

Martin Rutte  14:24  

Very clear. So let’s go through the questions again, question one. recall a time when you experienced Heaven on Earth, what was going on? Bang, you went right to snorkeling in Hawaii. What you did not do is ask me what do you mean by Heaven on Earth?

Tony Maree Torrey  14:42  

I didn’t need to

Martin Rutte  14:45  

99.9% of people do not ask me what I mean by Heaven on Earth. That’s fascinating to me. And if they do ask I just say, I’m not going to tell you you tell you so you know what happened? On Earth is what I call an already knowing within you. And so when I asked, recall a time you experience Heaven on Earth, you go right to the time I snorkeled, but how do you know it? Because I didn’t even define what I meant. But But you know, that’s the point. The second question, here’s a magic wand and with it, you can have Heaven on Earth. The reason for the magic wand is to remove the necessity of you having to know how you’re going to create it. So if you don’t have to know how you can go strictly and deeply and purely into the what, at which you did people living on purpose, people living with compassion, people living with generous from generosity, very clearly, you know what it is? And then the third question, what simple easy act will you take in the next 24 hours to have more of that, I would have this call with my VA, to clean it up with her so she gets more on purpose. So whatever that third action is, whether it’s a new action, or an action that you’ve are that you are already doing, by adding the consciousness, and this is my contribution to Heaven on Earth to it, then you’ve begun, you’ve stepped into the arena, you are at a higher level, co creating the new story of what it means to be a human, and what it means to be humanity. And that’s what this work is about. It’s not about we need a new story, that isn’t sufficient. If I keep saying to you, our relationships, not working, we need to do relationships, we need a relationship, we need a new story for our relationship. But neither of us names it. It’s frustration. But if I say to you, we are working together on having a Heaven on Earth relationship. We are working together to co-create Heaven on Earth, for humanity, for in order for humanity to truly experience its greatness. That is, you know, we’re at the fork in the road. Now we’ve got the pandemic, we’ve got the environment, we’ve got nuclear weapons, these are, potentially God forbid, annihilation of all humanity, we’ve got to take a new road. Project Heaven on Earth is my contribution and many others contributions to that.

Tony Maree Torrey  17:06  

I think one of the points that you’re making there that is so important that speaks volume, to me is this concept of co-creation. And for me that triggers two thoughts. Firstly, I don’t have to do it all on my own. Oftentimes, what happens is that is the problem feels too big for the individual. And then people will go into non action, rather than even taking the tiny steps. And then the other piece that I really loved about that is that it helps me realize that I only need to take tiny steps in that direction, because it’s not all on my shoulders. It’s on humanity’s shoulders very well. So let’s have the opportunity to contribute.

Martin Rutte  17:53  

We are moving from I to we these issues that I addressed, are we issues in terms of solutions. I can’t solve it, we solve it. And yes, by saying, look, the threat of nuclear weapons is so big, it’s so enormous. What difference can I make? I’m just this guy from Hamilton, Ontario, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 7.8 billion people say, I can’t make a difference. Guess what, we can’t make a difference. But if you say I am making a difference, a tiny one, a tiny, tiny, tiny one, then you’re in and others begin and the momentum begins. And I’m telling you, this is more than just a good idea. Don’t worry. If you go to Google and put in the phrase Heaven on Earth, in quotes 2020, you’ll get about 4.3 5 million hits. Wow. If you go and put in Heaven on Earth, in quotes, 2021, you’ll get 13 million hits. We’re up about three times over three times the entirety of last. So something massive is going on in culture underneath the tumultuous surface. In the depths, the consciousness of humanity is going, wait a minute, we can’t go down this road, we got to go down this road. And now’s the time to do that.

 Tony Maree Torrey  19:14  

And I do genuinely believe that creates momentum. I believe it shifts things in the you know what I would call the morphogenetic field of humanity of our future. So that’s fantastic.

Martin Rutte  19:27  

Can I give you some examples of what people are doing?

Tony Maree Torrey  19:31  

I would love some examples. And

Martin Rutte  19:33  

I’ll go ahead, sorry. Yeah.

Tony Maree Torrey  19:34  

I’d also like to raise with you something that happened to me as we went through these questions, partly because I think it’s something that’s likely to happen for other people as well. So as I answered the second question, or people living on purpose, bringing their gifts and values into service to you know other people and cause worthy causes in the world. There was a part of me that went Well, firstly, how is that even possible? And secondly, if we actually solved that problem, then what causes would we have to solve and serve in the world, like if everyone’s already living on purpose and so, so to some extent, that was kind of like a resistance to the idea. And I’d love it if I’m sure I’m not the first person who has had that kind of like a gotcha, come up. So I’d love it if you can speak to that piece. And then of course, the examples afterwards.

Martin Rutte  20:31  

Sure, sure, this has come up several times when people say, but look, if there’s no hunger, there’s no war, there’s no poverty, there’s no illness in the world, will there’d be nothing left to do? And I go, but wait, wait, wait. Think about what you’re saying for a moment. In essence, what you’re saying is I want those deep sufferings to continue so that I don’t have to face the unknown. No, let’s get rid of all these, let’s end these sufferings, and more and more people are actually doing work on ending suffering. And then let’s look at what’s next. I have no idea what’s next? Let’s find out. So that’s my answer.

Tony Maree Torrey  21:13  

And it brings to mind to me the concept of the empowerment dynamic versus the drama triangle. And the difference between focusing on what you want to create or focusing on the problems and focusing on the problem creates the drama, and focusing on what you want to create creates the empowerment, it’s so interesting, because I work on this a lot myself, and I work on it a lot with with my clients, and yet still. And thank you for reflecting that to me, because that gives me like great insight just into myself in terms of going up, okay, it still comes up, let’s train the brain to be more in alignment with what I want to create, and less concern about the problem. So thank you for sharing that wisdom. It’s always great to be reminded, just just as soon as we think we’ve learned a lesson, oftentimes comes back up again.

Martin Rutte  22:13  

Thank you, thank you for your willingness to even bring it up. So some examples. Let’s start really simple. A woman in Hawaii who put her definition of Heaven on Earth, embedded at the end of every email, simple act every time an email goes out. And then a woman in Chile saw that went, wait a minute, so the woman in Chile spoke to a woman in in Hawaii. So now the woman Hawaii puts imagine you have a magic one. And with it, you can have heaven on Earth. What is heaven on earth for you? And then she puts For me it is an essence for her it’s returning to the Garden of Eden. Just a specific second question. It’s not the question is not what is heaven on earth for you? Or what is heaven on earth? That’s too big an initial question. The first question is always recall a time you experienced heaven Earth then the second question is with a magic wand. What is heaven on earth makes it much easier to move to a police officer who’s created a 16 page manual called heaven on earth for law enforcement. Because I because I asked him Justin what’s what’s heaven on earth for law enforcement. And he said, Oh, easy the end of crime and people working together. And just like that he got it was amazing. A real estate agent who’s created a program called a home for everyone, where each of the agents in her office that she’s asked him they’ve agreed, donate $100 off each commission check for a building or home that they sell up to a max of 1200 a year. they’ve raised 400,000, over about six or seven years. And the program is called a home for everyone. And they ask individuals and organizations for the community to submit applications for that money. A woman who was deeply concerned with violence against women, deeply and she was really mad at me. I’ve been at the police. I’ve been to the government, nothing. What would you do? And I said, well, Susan, I don’t know your financial situation. You can donate a penny you can donate $5,000 What difference would a penny make? One of the other women on the call said wait a minute, what if everybody in your county donated a penny a day to help end violence against women? She went oh my god. Her group called I think it’s called second story started a program in which they handed out mason jars. With a picture of a woman half her face bruise black, beaten up,half her face bright alive with the light shining. And the program was called making change. They asked her to donate a penny or more a day for a year. They raised 2500 doing that they took it. This was in Canada they took it to the Government of Canada who gave them $100,000 for each of the subsequent three years. And now she says to me anywhere I go in the candy people’s first question is, what can I do? All the way up to a woman in Austria Elizabeth, who’s heaven on earth project is Austria is a heaven on earth nation. And I went, Wow, where did you come up with that? And she said, Well, Martin, it’s because it’s simple. He taught me the value of the word simple. I don’t know what your symbol is, but you do. All the way up to a man Charles char Ray, originally from Gabon, now in Montreal, who started a Facebook group called Africa, a heaven on earth continent. Stunning a newspaper in Dehradun, India called the Dehradun street that put on its masthead in capital letters that was published every week. Now, Dheradun, I have it in our city. So every week people see that see that see that see that see that it’s seated, it becomes the norm.

Tony Maree Torrey  25:51  

There’s so much power in collective efforts, not only in terms of the actual initiatives, but also just in terms of the support that you’re showing that people provide each other in the brainstorming and the creation part of the process. Yep. As I demonstrated myself, it seems that others have had to deal with those kinds of obstacles as well, like your lady that was really angry and that you asked her like, like, you don’t have to solve this entire problem, maybe all you have to do is donate a penny,

Martin Rutte  26:29  

you have no idea of the impact that your contribution can make. One woman in Mexico City goes and smiles at two people a day. That’s it. Now, here’s what’s interesting. If each of those people smile at two people, and each of those people smile at two people, and so on, and so on. Let’s say your only job is to smile at two people who have never been smiled at before. How long would it take to cover the entire 7.8 billion people in the world? You know, how much time it would take? Take a guess.

Tony Maree Torrey  27:03  

I have no idea. But it’s making me laugh just thinking about it. Because you sound like a multi level marketer right now. We’re marketing smiles. It’s awesome.

Martin Rutte  27:15  

Well, it takes 32 days.

Tony Maree Torrey  27:17  

Wow, is that all? That’s all is incredible. And I do have to say there have been times in my life when I’ve been struggling and the smile from a stranger has absolutely made the difference. Martin Rutte  27:31  

You know, you never know. Yeah, I don’t know where the angel is. Right? Right. So think of project Heaven on Earth as a like a piece of software, metaphorical software, and any new software that you download and boot up. In essence, what it says to you is, look, here’s a new possibility that you never thought of. But I can’t go any further until you put your unique content in. That’s what project Heaven on Earth is. It’s saying you know, the possibility of heaven on earth. You know, that thing that you’re your soul that your divine essence has been longing for? Well, guess what, now is the time, what is going to be your simple, easy concrete contribution the next 24 hours unleashing that Tony Marie is stunning.

Tony Maree Torrey  28:18  

That is so powerful. Martin, if you were like a lot of the people that listen to this podcast, are founding CEOs and financial professionals, mostly because they’re the folks that I work with. And so they’re my audience. What would you say to these folks who are looking to apply these principles to business? Now, obviously, you’ve shared with us already some really great examples of questions that you can ask from your Southern California Edison days, and they have an on earth questions as well. Is there any other insight that you would like to share with this audience that you think is important for them to know?

Martin Rutte  28:59  

For people in business, I would ask, I would add a fourth heaven on earth question. So the first question is we call a time you experienced heaven on earth, what was going on? The second question is, imagine you have a magic wand. And with that you can have heaven on earth, what’s heaven on earth? And the third question is using the same magic wand, what is heaven on earth for your business? And then the fourth question is what simple, easy, concrete step we’ve taken the next 24 hours. What that will do say the purpose of the magic wand is to remove the necessity of having to know how business people are generally very driven by a need to know how I’m going to do something or to do it. Not here. I only want you to focus on what go purely into the what let the magic wand do the how. Then after you know the depth of the what and the clarity and the precision of the what, then you can look at the how and so I’m talking more and more about this within business, that it’s about creating the new story about your business. It’s about creating objects, and goals and achievements that are beyond what you believe possible. Let me explain that a little bit more. Most people think that in order for you to do something, you have to believe that you can do it.

Tony Maree Torrey  30:22  

In order for misunderstanding,

Martin Rutte  30:25  

right, and so what where that leads is, then the only thing you will achieve, is what you believe you can achieve. So simple, simple, simple example. Last year, my company made $100. This year, we go through a planning process, we’re gonna add 15%. So our goal for this year is $115. Okay, but $115 is still 100. It’s from the same thinking, what if you went out and said, okay, heaven on earth, for me is $500? Well, I don’t know. I don’t know how to do it. Listen to the language, I don’t know how to do it. I know you don’t know how to do it. That’s part of the vision, you’re not supposed to know how to do it. When John F. Kennedy said, a man in the moon, on the moon in 10 years, the US space administration did not have the stuff that would prevent the burning of a capsule and it returned. There’s a new house that can be discovered. But you need to answer the question, what’s the what? And in this case, I’m saying what’s heaven on earth? That’s the what,

 

Tony Maree Torrey  31:27  

one of the things that I would add to what you’re saying to that I find is interesting that I see my clients doing a lot before we, you know, change the process is putting a limitation on people do it, especially with dollars. So I would say, you know, it’s like, what if I made $500 or more? Because very good, actually, with money, people tend to kind of just put this kind of finite cap on it. But maybe that’s just where we start. And there’s an even bigger possibility to embrace as well.

Martin Rutte  32:00  

I love it. A minimum of 500.

Tony Maree Torrey  32:03  

Right?

Martin Rutte  32:04  

Yeah. Yeah. No, very good. Very good. Yeah. So that then you see, then what will instantly emerge is all the assumptions you have about how you create all the assumptions you have about what creation is what making something is about. And it will challenge that and we want to challenge that we want to have you look at what do i think is impossible, put the impossibility aside and then focus on producing that thing. Now clearly, I’m not saying we’re going to build a bridge between Los Angeles and Hong Kong tomorrow, you know, in 24 hours, not that big kind of capital I impossible but, but something that you think is impossible, but that other people have done so it’s clearly not impossible.

Tony Maree Torrey  32:52  

Yes, and I think one of the best ways that you can knock the legs out from underneath the belief is to find examples that contradict your limiting beliefs, seeing other people in the world who have done and created amazing things.

Martin Rutte  33:05  

So are you thinking about a Tesla right?

Martin Rutte  33:10  

Sorry, he never went to that school. Very inspiring. Or or Richard Branson, a virgin, you know people who think so it’s not they think outside of the box, they throw the box at the window and make an entirely new box

Tony Maree Torrey  33:29  

This is such a great conversation I’m really enjoying it. I hesitate to put an end to it because we are starting to run out of time and so I want to make sure that you have the opportunity to show people your book tell people where they can find you where they can participate with Project Heaven on Earth. So Martin play up you know, for those viewing, there it is there’s the book project on Earth.

Martin Rutte  33:58  

Now do you know there’s another title embedded in the same title?

Tony Maree Torrey  34:03  

Well, I do because you told me.

Martin Rutte  34:09  

project heaven on earth, right. Yeah, project heaven Earth and project or so project heaven on earth. The book is available on Amazon. And if you’re a company, I’m asking you to buy one for everybody in the company, everybody in your division, everybody in the company, put this mindset in to the space put this mindset into people’s thinking that oh heaven on earth, let me start thinking about what that could be. That will open up an entirely new sense of momentum for you And now’s the time you know, we’re going to start thinking about post pandemic. Also you can go to project heaven on earth.com and sign up for my free course a free weekly blog which will give you different perspectives on heaven on earth. And right me you know, go to the project Heaven on Earth and contact there or look for Martinruttte.com You’ll see more of my corporate stuff.

Tony Maree Torrey  35:02  

And I do have to say, Martin, you are an extremely accessible person for someone who has so many demands on your time and doing so many big things in the world. I love that you really do make yourself available to be of support people. So with a very generous heart and an amazing vision thank you so much for being a wonderful guest here today on Legacy In the Making Show. I’m excited to spread the word and have lots of people listen to this conversation, because I know that it will change the world.

Martin Rutte  35:41  

I flashback to sitting on the porch in Hamilton years ago. So it was all about this was it. Thanks Tony Maree.

Tony Maree Torrey 35:55  

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